[Patch v2] sharp angles
Hi all, attached is v2 of the patch, the binary is here: Correction: the previous versions did not change angles like this: /\ Improvement: For bicycle maps, the angle is changed up to 90° for arcs with high road speeds. Options (--x-fix-sharp-angles and --x-cycle-map) are the same. @Felix: I wait for your feedback now, as I have no way to test with your style. Gerd
oops. the link for the binary was missing: http://files.mkgmap.org.uk/download/280/mkgmap.jar Gerd From: gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 17:33:39 +0200 Subject: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles Hi all, attached is v2 of the patch, the binary is here: Correction: the previous versions did not change angles like this: /\ Improvement: For bicycle maps, the angle is changed up to 90° for arcs with high road speeds. Options (--x-fix-sharp-angles and --x-cycle-map) are the same. @Felix: I wait for your feedback now, as I have no way to test with your style. Gerd _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev
Sorry - I was on an enduro MTB Race for the last week - I will start testing on Tuesday... On 28 August 2015 at 17:34, Gerd Petermann <gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> wrote:
oops. the link for the binary was missing: http://files.mkgmap.org.uk/download/280/mkgmap.jar
Gerd ------------------------------ From: gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 17:33:39 +0200 Subject: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles
Hi all,
attached is v2 of the patch, the binary is here:
Correction: the previous versions did not change angles like this: /\ Improvement: For bicycle maps, the angle is changed up to 90° for arcs with high road speeds.
Options (--x-fix-sharp-angles and --x-cycle-map) are the same.
@Felix: I wait for your feedback now, as I have no way to test with your style.
Gerd
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Well - I used --x-cycle-map but for some intersections it would still not work. In 4 out of 10 long distance routing examples I tried in Basecamp - the result was better. In 4 it was the same, and in 2 it was slightly worse. So overall it is a modest improvement - but I would have hoped for a bit more. Still - clearly and improvement. On 29 August 2015 at 23:11, Felix Hartmann <extremecarver@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry - I was on an enduro MTB Race for the last week - I will start testing on Tuesday...
On 28 August 2015 at 17:34, Gerd Petermann < gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> wrote:
oops. the link for the binary was missing: http://files.mkgmap.org.uk/download/280/mkgmap.jar
Gerd ------------------------------ From: gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 17:33:39 +0200 Subject: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles
Hi all,
attached is v2 of the patch, the binary is here:
Correction: the previous versions did not change angles like this: /\ Improvement: For bicycle maps, the angle is changed up to 90° for arcs with high road speeds.
Options (--x-fix-sharp-angles and --x-cycle-map) are the same.
@Felix: I wait for your feedback now, as I have no way to test with your style.
Gerd
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Hi Felix, please let me know at what points routing is worse (Node and route). Gerd Felix Hartmann-2 wrote
Well - I used --x-cycle-map
but for some intersections it would still not work. In 4 out of 10 long distance routing examples I tried in Basecamp - the result was better. In 4 it was the same, and in 2 it was slightly worse. So overall it is a modest improvement - but I would have hoped for a bit more. Still - clearly and improvement.
On 29 August 2015 at 23:11, Felix Hartmann <
extremecarver@
> wrote:
Sorry - I was on an enduro MTB Race for the last week - I will start testing on Tuesday...
On 28 August 2015 at 17:34, Gerd Petermann <
gpetermann_muenchen@
wrote:
oops. the link for the binary was missing: http://files.mkgmap.org.uk/download/280/mkgmap.jar
Gerd ------------------------------ From:
gpetermann_muenchen@
To:
mkgmap-dev@.org
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 17:33:39 +0200 Subject: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles
Hi all,
attached is v2 of the patch, the binary is here:
Correction: the previous versions did not change angles like this: /\ Improvement: For bicycle maps, the angle is changed up to 90° for arcs with high road speeds.
Options (--x-fix-sharp-angles and --x-cycle-map) are the same.
@Felix: I wait for your feedback now, as I have no way to test with your style.
Gerd
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well it was not really worse - just the overall distance/time got longer. E.g. - a rather funny routing here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/48.07560/16.27225&layers=T Driving (Motorcycling and so on) [image: Inline images 1] Bicycle Modes (note that it goes further onwards - then back. Dunno why it thinks this is faster - but I have several routable lines on top of each other here: [image: Inline images 2] The avoided sharp angle is only taken in the pedestrian modes: [image: Inline images 3] And now the worst results - huge detour in ATV/Dirt Biking mode (170 instead of 72m respectively 142m): [image: Inline images 4] Or just a bit to the south - see what happens here: - all modes except pedestrian ones route to the end, make a U-Turn - and then enter the way - instead of just doing the sharp angle turn.... (but please don't ask me why Garmin thinks a U turn is faster). [image: Inline images 5] - Oh and here (a little bit more south) I actually found a degradation: new: [image: Inline images 6] old [image: Inline images 7] Sorry for the pics - I assume they will not make it over the list - but Gerd you should get them... On 2 September 2015 at 22:27, GerdP <gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi Felix,
please let me know at what points routing is worse (Node and route).
Gerd
Felix Hartmann-2 wrote
Well - I used --x-cycle-map
but for some intersections it would still not work. In 4 out of 10 long distance routing examples I tried in Basecamp - the result was better. In 4 it was the same, and in 2 it was slightly worse. So overall it is a modest improvement - but I would have hoped for a bit more. Still - clearly and improvement.
On 29 August 2015 at 23:11, Felix Hartmann <
extremecarver@
wrote:
Sorry - I was on an enduro MTB Race for the last week - I will start testing on Tuesday...
On 28 August 2015 at 17:34, Gerd Petermann <
gpetermann_muenchen@
wrote:
oops. the link for the binary was missing: http://files.mkgmap.org.uk/download/280/mkgmap.jar
Gerd ------------------------------ From:
gpetermann_muenchen@
To:
mkgmap-dev@.org
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 17:33:39 +0200 Subject: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles
Hi all,
attached is v2 of the patch, the binary is here:
Correction: the previous versions did not change angles like this: /\ Improvement: For bicycle maps, the angle is changed up to 90° for arcs with high road speeds.
Options (--x-fix-sharp-angles and --x-cycle-map) are the same.
@Felix: I wait for your feedback now, as I have no way to test with your style.
Gerd
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Hi Felix, got your mail with the pictures. Please check: You wrote that you used --x-cycle-map, but you did not mention --x-fix-sharp-angles. I was probably not clear about these options. If you did not also use --x-fix-sharp-angles you measured the effect of the removal of the --adjust-turn-headings option, as --x-cycle-map on it own has no effect with the patch. Reg. testing: Please try to route to points close to but not on the road. Maybe this avoids the u-turns when the Garmin algo reaches the target on the "right" road (but "wrong" arc) and adds a u-turn to get on the road arc that was selected as target. Gerd Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 21:40:34 +0200 From: extremecarver@gmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles Well - I used --x-cycle-map but for some intersections it would still not work. In 4 out of 10 long distance routing examples I tried in Basecamp - the result was better. In 4 it was the same, and in 2 it was slightly worse. So overall it is a modest improvement - but I would have hoped for a bit more. Still - clearly and improvement. On 29 August 2015 at 23:11, Felix Hartmann <extremecarver@gmail.com> wrote: Sorry - I was on an enduro MTB Race for the last week - I will start testing on Tuesday... On 28 August 2015 at 17:34, Gerd Petermann <gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> wrote: oops. the link for the binary was missing: http://files.mkgmap.org.uk/download/280/mkgmap.jar Gerd From: gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 17:33:39 +0200 Subject: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles Hi all, attached is v2 of the patch, the binary is here: Correction: the previous versions did not change angles like this: /\ Improvement: For bicycle maps, the angle is changed up to 90° for arcs with high road speeds. Options (--x-fix-sharp-angles and --x-cycle-map) are the same. @Felix: I wait for your feedback now, as I have no way to test with your style. Gerd _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev -- Felix Hartman - Openmtbmap.org & VeloMap.org Floragasse 9/11 1040 Wien Austria - Österreich -- Felix Hartman - Openmtbmap.org & VeloMap.org Floragasse 9/11 1040 Wien Austria - Österreich _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev
Ah - thanks. Well too strange I still got some differences... I did not know and wondered why I found so little difference. So more results in 1-3 hours - back to testing now. On 3 September 2015 at 07:03, Gerd Petermann < gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi Felix,
got your mail with the pictures. Please check: You wrote that you used --x-cycle-map, but you did not mention --x-fix-sharp-angles. I was probably not clear about these options.
If you did not also use --x-fix-sharp-angles you measured the effect of the removal of the --adjust-turn-headings option, as --x-cycle-map on it own has no effect with the patch.
Reg. testing: Please try to route to points close to but not on the road. Maybe this avoids the u-turns when the Garmin algo reaches the target on the "right" road (but "wrong" arc) and adds a u-turn to get on the road arc that was selected as target.
Gerd
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 21:40:34 +0200 From: extremecarver@gmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles
Well - I used --x-cycle-map
but for some intersections it would still not work. In 4 out of 10 long distance routing examples I tried in Basecamp - the result was better. In 4 it was the same, and in 2 it was slightly worse. So overall it is a modest improvement - but I would have hoped for a bit more. Still - clearly and improvement.
On 29 August 2015 at 23:11, Felix Hartmann <extremecarver@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry - I was on an enduro MTB Race for the last week - I will start testing on Tuesday...
On 28 August 2015 at 17:34, Gerd Petermann < gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> wrote:
oops. the link for the binary was missing: http://files.mkgmap.org.uk/download/280/mkgmap.jar
Gerd ------------------------------ From: gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 17:33:39 +0200 Subject: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles
Hi all,
attached is v2 of the patch, the binary is here:
Correction: the previous versions did not change angles like this: /\ Improvement: For bicycle maps, the angle is changed up to 90° for arcs with high road speeds.
Options (--x-fix-sharp-angles and --x-cycle-map) are the same.
@Felix: I wait for your feedback now, as I have no way to test with your style.
Gerd
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Hi Felix, if you get the same differences with the unpatched version and --adjust-turn-headings turned on/off I see no miracles. Gerd Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 08:21:43 +0200 From: extremecarver@gmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles Ah - thanks. Well too strange I still got some differences... I did not know and wondered why I found so little difference. So more results in 1-3 hours - back to testing now. On 3 September 2015 at 07:03, Gerd Petermann <gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> wrote: Hi Felix, got your mail with the pictures. Please check: You wrote that you used --x-cycle-map, but you did not mention --x-fix-sharp-angles. I was probably not clear about these options. If you did not also use --x-fix-sharp-angles you measured the effect of the removal of the --adjust-turn-headings option, as --x-cycle-map on it own has no effect with the patch. Reg. testing: Please try to route to points close to but not on the road. Maybe this avoids the u-turns when the Garmin algo reaches the target on the "right" road (but "wrong" arc) and adds a u-turn to get on the road arc that was selected as target. Gerd Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 21:40:34 +0200 From: extremecarver@gmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles Well - I used --x-cycle-map but for some intersections it would still not work. In 4 out of 10 long distance routing examples I tried in Basecamp - the result was better. In 4 it was the same, and in 2 it was slightly worse. So overall it is a modest improvement - but I would have hoped for a bit more. Still - clearly and improvement. On 29 August 2015 at 23:11, Felix Hartmann <extremecarver@gmail.com> wrote: Sorry - I was on an enduro MTB Race for the last week - I will start testing on Tuesday... On 28 August 2015 at 17:34, Gerd Petermann <gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> wrote: oops. the link for the binary was missing: http://files.mkgmap.org.uk/download/280/mkgmap.jar Gerd From: gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 17:33:39 +0200 Subject: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles Hi all, attached is v2 of the patch, the binary is here: Correction: the previous versions did not change angles like this: /\ Improvement: For bicycle maps, the angle is changed up to 90° for arcs with high road speeds. Options (--x-fix-sharp-angles and --x-cycle-map) are the same. @Felix: I wait for your feedback now, as I have no way to test with your style. Gerd _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev -- Felix Hartman - Openmtbmap.org & VeloMap.org Floragasse 9/11 1040 Wien Austria - Österreich -- Felix Hartman - Openmtbmap.org & VeloMap.org Floragasse 9/11 1040 Wien Austria - Österreich _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev -- Felix Hartman - Openmtbmap.org & VeloMap.org Floragasse 9/11 1040 Wien Austria - Österreich _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev
Hi Gerd - okay now with patched and removing --adjust-turn-headinfs - plus adding both options I can see (vs before with adjust-turns-headings) a) improvements on some tight turns (though not all tight turns) b) less of those errors (though some still exist - but much less) c) less erroneous detours on longer routes d) valid only for Car/Motorcycle routing - often on the same route shorter times - sometimes longer as well though. The other profiles are much less affected here. e) no difference at all in the maximum routable distance. Once a strange degradation (again same place as yesterday): Routing is alway correct on old map - but times are much slower. Old map nearly always had 1min [image: Inline images 1] Only on Driving profile this bug happens (but no other - even Motorcycle is fine). Still 1min. However all other profiles (except walking) are between 26-28seconds. [image: Inline images 2] Overall I would say it's a clear improvement (but yeah - those additional ways I guess would still be better). On 3 September 2015 at 08:43, Gerd Petermann < gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi Felix,
if you get the same differences with the unpatched version and --adjust-turn-headings turned on/off I see no miracles.
Gerd
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 08:21:43 +0200
From: extremecarver@gmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles
Ah - thanks. Well too strange I still got some differences... I did not know and wondered why I found so little difference.
So more results in 1-3 hours - back to testing now.
On 3 September 2015 at 07:03, Gerd Petermann < gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi Felix,
got your mail with the pictures. Please check: You wrote that you used --x-cycle-map, but you did not mention --x-fix-sharp-angles. I was probably not clear about these options.
If you did not also use --x-fix-sharp-angles you measured the effect of the removal of the --adjust-turn-headings option, as --x-cycle-map on it own has no effect with the patch.
Reg. testing: Please try to route to points close to but not on the road. Maybe this avoids the u-turns when the Garmin algo reaches the target on the "right" road (but "wrong" arc) and adds a u-turn to get on the road arc that was selected as target.
Gerd
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 21:40:34 +0200 From: extremecarver@gmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles
Well - I used --x-cycle-map
but for some intersections it would still not work. In 4 out of 10 long distance routing examples I tried in Basecamp - the result was better. In 4 it was the same, and in 2 it was slightly worse. So overall it is a modest improvement - but I would have hoped for a bit more. Still - clearly and improvement.
On 29 August 2015 at 23:11, Felix Hartmann <extremecarver@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry - I was on an enduro MTB Race for the last week - I will start testing on Tuesday...
On 28 August 2015 at 17:34, Gerd Petermann < gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> wrote:
oops. the link for the binary was missing: http://files.mkgmap.org.uk/download/280/mkgmap.jar
Gerd ------------------------------ From: gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 17:33:39 +0200 Subject: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles
Hi all,
attached is v2 of the patch, the binary is here:
Correction: the previous versions did not change angles like this: /\ Improvement: For bicycle maps, the angle is changed up to 90° for arcs with high road speeds.
Options (--x-fix-sharp-angles and --x-cycle-map) are the same.
@Felix: I wait for your feedback now, as I have no way to test with your style.
Gerd
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