Hi, I've been using a USA map from http://www.openmapchest.org/maps/united-states on my Garmin Nuvi 1450. In Connecticut it works quite well, but I drove into NYC yesterday and it couldn't find a single address. I was trying to find: 311 W 51 St. Nomination shows the address as: • House 311, West 51st Street, Midtown West, Manhattan, New York County, New York City, New York, 10019, United States of America http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/265329468 I tried finding it in both "New York" and "New York City". Manhattan and Midtown West are not listed as cities. I even tried the intersection search and nothing came up. NYC has a near complete set of street addresses, so I expected I would have good results using OSM data. I know the boundaries of NYC can be challenging at time, because the city has five boroughs, lots of neighborhoods and a ton of data. Today, I navigated to the approximate location on the GPS, and it decided the location was in Weehawken, NJ., (which is just across the Hudson). On my GPS, I did a reverse search, and it showed the address being in New Jersey! I didn't build the maps myself, and I don't know how the splitter works. Clearly Nomination has the address figured out correctly, but mkgmap does not. Brian
Hi Brian, if I got that right, the problem is in the style rules. I don't know the rules that are used for your map (provided by Ben Konrath), but the default style doesn't assign mkgmap:city for the way with the id 265329468, and the way itself also doesn't contain the information. These are the tags which I see before style processing using a bounds file dated 2014-06-13: addr:housenumber=311, mkgmap:admin_level6=New York County, mkgmap:admin_level5=New York City, mkgmap:admin_level2=USA, addr:postcode=10019, building=yes, addr:street=West 51st Street, mkgmap:admin_level4=New York I see no rule in the default styles' address rules which handles this special case. I am not familiar with addresses in USA, so I don't know if only New York is special? Gerd From: brianegge@gmail.com Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 16:14:49 -0400 To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Subject: [mkgmap-dev] mkgmap in NYC Hi, I've been using a USA map from http://www.openmapchest.org/maps/united-states on my Garmin Nuvi 1450. In Connecticut it works quite well, but I drove into NYC yesterday and it couldn't find a single address. I was trying to find: 311 W 51 St. Nomination shows the address as: • House 311, West 51st Street, Midtown West, Manhattan, New York County, New York City, New York, 10019, United States of America http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/265329468 I tried finding it in both "New York" and "New York City". Manhattan and Midtown West are not listed as cities. I even tried the intersection search and nothing came up. NYC has a near complete set of street addresses, so I expected I would have good results using OSM data. I know the boundaries of NYC can be challenging at time, because the city has five boroughs, lots of neighborhoods and a ton of data. Today, I navigated to the approximate location on the GPS, and it decided the location was in Weehawken, NJ., (which is just across the Hudson). On my GPS, I did a reverse search, and it showed the address being in New Jersey! I didn't build the maps myself, and I don't know how the splitter works. Clearly Nomination has the address figured out correctly, but mkgmap does not. Brian _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev
Hi Gerd, For NYC, one of the admin levels should be assigned to 'City' (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_admin_level <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_admin_level>). NYC is a special case in the United States, and it's often even confusing to find addresses in the Garmin database. NYC is composed of five borough's, and it's the borough that's used on standard addresses. For Bronx, Brooklyn and Staten Island people will use those borough names for their city. The exceptions are the borough of Manhattan, which for addressing purposes in simply 'New York', and Queens which uses various town names like Astoria. For example, you may live in Park Slope, which is a neighborhood in Brooklyn, but your postal 'city' will be Brooklyn. The postal service has this address: 440 5TH AVE BROOKLYN NY While Nomination has this one: 440, 5th Avenue, Park Slope, Brooklyn, Kings County, New York City, New York, 11215, United States of America <http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/248237344> For my example, the standard postal address is: 311 W 51ST ST NEW YORK NY I see what you mean about the styles for mkgmap. Since it's not using the admin levels, it appears to be searching for the nearest city center, which is in a different state, and is completely wrong. I would guess the rule should be: For anything in mkgmap:admin_level5=New York City, then the city should be the alt_name of admin_level6. Manhattan: http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2552485#map=12/40.7812/-73.9778 <http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2552485#map=12/40.7812/-73.9778> Queens: http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/369519#map=11/40.6512/-73.8721 <http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/369519#map=11/40.6512/-73.8721> Brooklyn: http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/369518#map=12/40.6446/-73.9449 <http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/369518#map=12/40.6446/-73.9449> Bronx: http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2552450#map=12/40.8516/-73.8467 <http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2552450#map=12/40.8516/-73.8467> Staten Island: http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/962876 <http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/962876> Is it possible to configure such a rule? If not, we should match on admin_level5 is a city name has not been set. I don't think I have the resources at home to load/run mkgmap, but I'm happy to test it. Thanks, Brian
On Oct 18, 2014, at 5:11 AM, Gerd Petermann <gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi Brian,
if I got that right, the problem is in the style rules. I don't know the rules that are used for your map (provided by Ben Konrath), but the default style doesn't assign mkgmap:city for the way with the id 265329468, and the way itself also doesn't contain the information.
These are the tags which I see before style processing using a bounds file dated 2014-06-13:
addr:housenumber=311, mkgmap:admin_level6=New York County, mkgmap:admin_level5=New York City, mkgmap:admin_level2=USA, addr:postcode=10019, building=yes, addr:street=West 51st Street, mkgmap:admin_level4=New York
I see no rule in the default styles' address rules which handles this special case.
I am not familiar with addresses in USA, so I don't know if only New York is special?
Gerd
From: brianegge@gmail.com Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 16:14:49 -0400 To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Subject: [mkgmap-dev] mkgmap in NYC
Hi,
I've been using a USA map from http://www.openmapchest.org/maps/united-states <http://www.openmapchest.org/maps/united-states> on my Garmin Nuvi 1450. In Connecticut it works quite well, but I drove into NYC yesterday and it couldn't find a single address.
I was trying to find: 311 W 51 St. Nomination shows the address as:
• House 311, West 51st Street, Midtown West, Manhattan, New York County, New York City, New York, 10019, United States of America
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/265329468 <http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/265329468>
I tried finding it in both "New York" and "New York City". Manhattan and Midtown West are not listed as cities. I even tried the intersection search and nothing came up. NYC has a near complete set of street addresses, so I expected I would have good results using OSM data.
I know the boundaries of NYC can be challenging at time, because the city has five boroughs, lots of neighborhoods and a ton of data. Today, I navigated to the approximate location on the GPS, and it decided the location was in Weehawken, NJ., (which is just across the Hudson). On my GPS, I did a reverse search, and it showed the address being in New Jersey!
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I didn't build the maps myself, and I don't know how the splitter works. Clearly Nomination has the address figured out correctly, but mkgmap does not.
Brian
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Hi Brian, I don't think that it is possible to get access to the alt_name [1], but it should be possible to specify rules. I am not good with this, so maybe someone else here can help? Maybe you can contact Ben Konrath directly, he contributed many of these rules. Gerd [1] This is because we use so called "precompiled boundaries", and changing them like that would require hard coded rules in the source. From: brianegge@gmail.com Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 10:30:19 -0400 To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] mkgmap in NYC Hi Gerd, For NYC, one of the admin levels should be assigned to 'City' (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_admin_level). NYC is a special case in the United States, and it's often even confusing to find addresses in the Garmin database. NYC is composed of five borough's, and it's the borough that's used on standard addresses. For Bronx, Brooklyn and Staten Island people will use those borough names for their city. The exceptions are the borough of Manhattan, which for addressing purposes in simply 'New York', and Queens which uses various town names like Astoria. For example, you may live in Park Slope, which is a neighborhood in Brooklyn, but your postal 'city' will be Brooklyn. The postal service has this address:440 5TH AVEBROOKLYN NY While Nomination has this one:440, 5th Avenue, Park Slope, Brooklyn, Kings County, New York City, New York, 11215, United States of America For my example, the standard postal address is:311 W 51ST STNEW YORK NY I see what you mean about the styles for mkgmap. Since it's not using the admin levels, it appears to be searching for the nearest city center, which is in a different state, and is completely wrong. I would guess the rule should be:For anything in mkgmap:admin_level5=New York City, then the city should be the alt_name of admin_level6. Manhattan:http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2552485#map=12/40.7812/-73.9778Queens:... Island:http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/962876 Is it possible to configure such a rule? If not, we should match on admin_level5 is a city name has not been set. I don't think I have the resources at home to load/run mkgmap, but I'm happy to test it. Thanks,Brian On Oct 18, 2014, at 5:11 AM, Gerd Petermann <gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> wrote:Hi Brian, if I got that right, the problem is in the style rules. I don't know the rules that are used for your map (provided by Ben Konrath), but the default style doesn't assign mkgmap:city for the way with the id 265329468, and the way itself also doesn't contain the information. These are the tags which I see before style processing using a bounds file dated 2014-06-13: addr:housenumber=311, mkgmap:admin_level6=New York County, mkgmap:admin_level5=New York City, mkgmap:admin_level2=USA, addr:postcode=10019, building=yes, addr:street=West 51st Street, mkgmap:admin_level4=New York I see no rule in the default styles' address rules which handles this special case. I am not familiar with addresses in USA, so I don't know if only New York is special? Gerd From: brianegge@gmail.com Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 16:14:49 -0400 To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Subject: [mkgmap-dev] mkgmap in NYC Hi, I've been using a USA map from http://www.openmapchest.org/maps/united-states on my Garmin Nuvi 1450. In Connecticut it works quite well, but I drove into NYC yesterday and it couldn't find a single address. I was trying to find: 311 W 51 St. Nomination shows the address as: • House 311, West 51st Street, Midtown West, Manhattan, New York County, New York City, New York, 10019, United States of America http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/265329468 I tried finding it in both "New York" and "New York City". Manhattan and Midtown West are not listed as cities. I even tried the intersection search and nothing came up. NYC has a near complete set of street addresses, so I expected I would have good results using OSM data. I know the boundaries of NYC can be challenging at time, because the city has five boroughs, lots of neighborhoods and a ton of data. Today, I navigated to the approximate location on the GPS, and it decided the location was in Weehawken, NJ., (which is just across the Hudson). On my GPS, I did a reverse search, and it showed the address being in New Jersey! <IMG_3891.jpeg> I didn't build the maps myself, and I don't know how the splitter works. Clearly Nomination has the address figured out correctly, but mkgmap does not. Brian _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev________________________... mailing listmkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.ukhttp://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev
Gerd Petermann <gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> writes:
[1] This is because we use so called "precompiled boundaries", and changing them like that would require hard coded rules in the source.
That might be the right place to fix this. Unfortunately New York really is a weird case (I don't know of any other such case in the US), but arguably it's important because a lot of people live there :-)
Hi everybody, Thanks for helping out with this issue. @Brian you can also just send me a message direct about issues related to the maps I make. I have some changes in the style file so the people on this list won't always be able to help out. But now that we're talking on this list, I hope other don't mind if we continue. I do actually have some changes for the US and NYC that I have been meaning to contribute to mkgmap. Now's probably a good time to see if this it makes sense. Here are my rules for the US: # United States mkgmap:country=USA & mkgmap:region!=* & mkgmap:admin_level4=* { set mkgmap:region='${mkgmap:admin_level4}' } # New York City has different admin levels than the rest of the US. # https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_admin_level mkgmap:country=USA & mkgmap:city!=* & mkgmap:admin_level6=* & (name='Manhattan' | alt_name='Manhattan') { set mkgmap:city='New York' } mkgmap:country=USA & mkgmap:city!=* & mkgmap:admin_level6=* & (name='The Bronx' | alt_name='The Bronx') { set mkgmap:city='The Bronx' } mkgmap:country=USA & mkgmap:city!=* & mkgmap:admin_level6=* & (name='Brooklyn'| alt_name='Brooklyn') { set mkgmap:city='Brooklyn' } mkgmap:country=USA & mkgmap:city!=* & mkgmap:admin_level6=* & (name='Queens' | alt_name='Queens') { set mkgmap:city='Queens' } mkgmap:country=USA & mkgmap:city!=* & mkgmap:admin_level6=* & (name='Staten Island' | alt_name='Staten Island') { set mkgmap:city='Staten Island' } mkgmap:country=USA & mkgmap:city!=* & mkgmap:admin_level8=* { set mkgmap:city='${mkgmap:admin_level8|subst:City of }' } I just tried to find 311 W 51 St. in New York but it didn't work as Brian pointed out. Can anybody see an obvious problem with my rules? Do I need to compile the bounds myself for this rule to work? Once I get this working properly, I can make a proper patch. Thanks, Ben On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Greg Troxel <gdt@ir.bbn.com> wrote:
Gerd Petermann <gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> writes:
[1] This is because we use so called "precompiled boundaries", and changing them like that would require hard coded rules in the source.
That might be the right place to fix this. Unfortunately New York really is a weird case (I don't know of any other such case in the US), but arguably it's important because a lot of people live there :-)
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Hi Ben, in your rules you refer to name and alt_name, these are not set for most buildings. I think you have to refer to e.g. mkgmap:admin_level6 Gerd Ben Konrath wrote
Hi everybody,
Thanks for helping out with this issue. @Brian you can also just send me a message direct about issues related to the maps I make. I have some changes in the style file so the people on this list won't always be able to help out. But now that we're talking on this list, I hope other don't mind if we continue.
I do actually have some changes for the US and NYC that I have been meaning to contribute to mkgmap. Now's probably a good time to see if this it makes sense.
Here are my rules for the US:
# United States mkgmap:country=USA & mkgmap:region!=* & mkgmap:admin_level4=* { set mkgmap:region='${mkgmap:admin_level4}' } # New York City has different admin levels than the rest of the US. # https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_admin_level mkgmap:country=USA & mkgmap:city!=* & mkgmap:admin_level6=* & (name='Manhattan' | alt_name='Manhattan') { set mkgmap:city='New York' } mkgmap:country=USA & mkgmap:city!=* & mkgmap:admin_level6=* & (name='The Bronx' | alt_name='The Bronx') { set mkgmap:city='The Bronx' } mkgmap:country=USA & mkgmap:city!=* & mkgmap:admin_level6=* & (name='Brooklyn'| alt_name='Brooklyn') { set mkgmap:city='Brooklyn' } mkgmap:country=USA & mkgmap:city!=* & mkgmap:admin_level6=* & (name='Queens' | alt_name='Queens') { set mkgmap:city='Queens' } mkgmap:country=USA & mkgmap:city!=* & mkgmap:admin_level6=* & (name='Staten Island' | alt_name='Staten Island') { set mkgmap:city='Staten Island' } mkgmap:country=USA & mkgmap:city!=* & mkgmap:admin_level8=* { set mkgmap:city='${mkgmap:admin_level8|subst:City of }' }
I just tried to find 311 W 51 St. in New York but it didn't work as Brian pointed out. Can anybody see an obvious problem with my rules? Do I need to compile the bounds myself for this rule to work?
Once I get this working properly, I can make a proper patch.
Thanks, Ben
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Greg Troxel <
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> wrote:
Gerd Petermann <
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> writes:
[1] This is because we use so called "precompiled boundaries", and changing them like that would require hard coded rules in the source.
That might be the right place to fix this. Unfortunately New York really is a weird case (I don't know of any other such case in the US), but arguably it's important because a lot of people live there :-)
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