unknown road and cycleway routing
It appears that unknown roads are not routable (many minor roads in my area are tagged as unknown roads) and that cycleways may not be routable for bicycle by default. I am going to try highway=unknown {set highway=minor} highway=cycleway {set bicycle=allowed} will this work? Barry -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/unknown-road-and-cycleway-routing-tp5749336.h... Sent from the Mkgmap Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
On Thu, Feb 14, gbbickerton wrote:
It appears that unknown roads are not routable (many minor roads in my area are tagged as unknown roads) and that cycleways may not be routable for bicycle by default. I am going to try highway=unknown {set highway=minor} highway=cycleway {set bicycle=allowed} will this work?
If a road is routeable or not depends on the ID of the line you did choose for it, not all lines are roadable. If a cycleway is used for bicycles depends on the firmware of your device. Newer firmwares don't work anymore. -- Thorsten Kukuk, Project Manager/Release Manager SLES SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg)
In potlatch2 some roads are called unknown road but I see that the tag is highway=road but I find that Basecamp will not route down them it also will not route down some cycleways which are drawn as cycleways by mkgmap so do you think this would work
highway=road {set access=yes } highway=cycleway {set bicycle=yes} I draw my routes by hand and use the routing to speed up road following so I decide which roads or tracks are used.
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In order to make it routable you have to add road_class and road_speed in your line style, In the default style highway=road should be routable: highway=road [0x06 road_class=0 road_speed=1 resolution 22] {set access=yes } or {set bicycle=yes} is not enough.
@Barry, Where on OSM are highway tagged with highway=unknown? That is not a valid OSM tag. Those highways should be tagged with highway=road or else unclassified. bicycle=allowed on a cycleway is also not neccesary, cycleways are by default accesible for cyclists. Also "allowed" is not a valid tag. Use "yes" or "designated" @Thorsten Newer firmwares do work if you use car instead of bicycle for bicycle routing. By default the carpool lanes are blocked for bicycles in cycling mode. In the newer firmwares and Basecamp every road tagged with access=no or motorcar=no is not routable anymore if carpool lanes are avoided (even if bicycle=yes is given, but this tag is ignored by Basecamp as well as the newer firmwares). So as workaround someone who aims to make cycling maps better should not use "access=no & bicycle=yes" on cycleways.
On Thu, Feb 14, Minko wrote:
@Thorsten Newer firmwares do work if you use car instead of bicycle for bicycle routing. By default the carpool lanes are blocked for bicycles in cycling mode.
Yes, with a huge amount of hacks and complex settings it works more or less, but I still prefer the old firmwares, where I don't need all this hacks. There I only need to switch between foot, car or bicycle and routing is always correct. Thorsten -- Thorsten Kukuk, Project Manager/Release Manager SLES SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg)
Hi Thorsten, I've updated my Oregon 450t a few weeks ago. Can you say with what version (or firmware date) the routing was changed? Is it possible to go back to an old version? ciao, Gerd Thorsten Kukuk wrote
On Thu, Feb 14, Minko wrote:
@Thorsten Newer firmwares do work if you use car instead of bicycle for bicycle routing. By default the carpool lanes are blocked for bicycles in cycling mode.
Yes, with a huge amount of hacks and complex settings it works more or less, but I still prefer the old firmwares, where I don't need all this hacks. There I only need to switch between foot, car or bicycle and routing is always correct.
Thorsten
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Hi Gerd, On Thu, Feb 14, GerdP wrote:
Hi Thorsten,
I've updated my Oregon 450t a few weeks ago. Can you say with what version (or firmware date) the routing was changed? Is it possible to go back to an old version?
About the Oregon: I don't know, I don't own one. For the 62s, it was the switch from 3.x to 4.x In general: at the moment where activity routing was added, routing for OSM was broken. About firmware downgrade: I had never problems to go back. You cannot use the webupdater for this, but you need to download the old firmware and apply it manual. I can search for the download side if necessary. Thorsten
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On Thu, Feb 14, Minko wrote:
@Thorsten Newer firmwares do work if you use car instead of bicycle for bicycle routing. By default the carpool lanes are blocked for bicycles in cycling mode.
Yes, with a huge amount of hacks and complex settings it works more or less, but I still prefer the old firmwares, where I don't need all this hacks. There I only need to switch between foot, car or bicycle and routing is always correct.
Thorsten
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On 2013-02-14 12:50, Thorsten Kukuk wrote:
Hi Gerd,
On Thu, Feb 14, GerdP wrote:
Hi Thorsten,
I've updated my Oregon 450t a few weeks ago. Can you say with what version (or firmware date) the routing was changed? Is it possible to go back to an old version?
About the Oregon: I don't know, I don't own one. For the 62s, it was the switch from 3.x to 4.x In general: at the moment where activity routing was added, routing for OSM was broken.
"activity routing" only shows up in mkgmap related threads. while i doubt they would do it to an old device like vista hcx, i'd like to know which devices to avoid :)
About firmware downgrade: I had never problems to go back. You cannot use the webupdater for this, but you need to download the old firmware and apply it manual.
I can search for the download side if necessary.
Thorsten
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On Thu, Feb 14, Minko wrote:
@Thorsten Newer firmwares do work if you use car instead of bicycle for bicycle routing. By default the carpool lanes are blocked for bicycles in cycling mode.
Yes, with a huge amount of hacks and complex settings it works more or less, but I still prefer the old firmwares, where I don't need all this hacks. There I only need to switch between foot, car or bicycle and routing is always correct.
Thorsten
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Hi Thorsten, thanks, I think I found what I need. Gerd Thorsten Kukuk wrote
Hi Gerd,
On Thu, Feb 14, GerdP wrote:
Hi Thorsten,
I've updated my Oregon 450t a few weeks ago. Can you say with what version (or firmware date) the routing was changed? Is it possible to go back to an old version?
About the Oregon: I don't know, I don't own one. For the 62s, it was the switch from 3.x to 4.x In general: at the moment where activity routing was added, routing for OSM was broken. About firmware downgrade: I had never problems to go back. You cannot use the webupdater for this, but you need to download the old firmware and apply it manual.
I can search for the download side if necessary.
Thorsten
Thorsten Kukuk wrote
On Thu, Feb 14, Minko wrote:
@Thorsten Newer firmwares do work if you use car instead of bicycle for bicycle routing. By default the carpool lanes are blocked for bicycles in cycling mode.
Yes, with a huge amount of hacks and complex settings it works more or less, but I still prefer the old firmwares, where I don't need all this hacks. There I only need to switch between foot, car or bicycle and routing is always correct.
Thorsten
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I agree Thorsten, I also prefer Mapsource and it costs a lot of time to explain all those different settings for different firmwares or Basecamp vs Mapsource. But Garmin moves on and sooner or later mkgmamp has to follow. Luckily they dont have implemented the activity routing in my Dakota yet so it still behaves like expected ;-)
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Thanks Minko-2 I had no class for cycleway and Highway=road needed moving up routing now works. I thought it was Basecamp being awkward. Barry -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/unknown-road-and-cycleway-routing-tp5749336p5... Sent from the Mkgmap Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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