Hi Felix, okay, I'll try to reproduce it. Gerd Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles To: gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com From: extremecarver@gmail.com Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:45:05 +0200 On 03.09.2015 10:43, Gerd Petermann wrote: Hi Felix, great! Do you have the log (created with me.parabola.imgfmt.app.net.AngleChecker.level=INFO in logging.properties) for this point and the one where the u-turn happens? Nope - did not use that. Does it also happen when you chose points which are not on the road but close to it? yes. Does not seem to matter. Gerd Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:25:50 +0200 Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles From: extremecarver@gmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk; gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com Hi Gerd - okay now with patched and removing --adjust-turn-headinfs - plus adding both options I can see (vs before with adjust-turns-headings) a) improvements on some tight turns (though not all tight turns) b) less of those errors (though some still exist - but much less) c) less erroneous detours on longer routes d) valid only for Car/Motorcycle routing - often on the same route shorter times - sometimes longer as well though. The other profiles are much less affected here. e) no difference at all in the maximum routable distance. Once a strange degradation (again same place as yesterday): Routing is alway correct on old map - but times are much slower. Old map nearly always had 1min Only on Driving profile this bug happens (but no other - even Motorcycle is fine). Still 1min. However all other profiles (except walking) are between 26-28seconds. Overall I would say it's a clear improvement (but yeah - those additional ways I guess would still be better). On 3 September 2015 at 08:43, Gerd Petermann <gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> wrote: Hi Felix, if you get the same differences with the unpatched version and --adjust-turn-headings turned on/off I see no miracles. Gerd Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 08:21:43 +0200 From: extremecarver@gmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles Ah - thanks. Well too strange I still got some differences... I did not know and wondered why I found so little difference. So more results in 1-3 hours - back to testing now. On 3 September 2015 at 07:03, Gerd Petermann <gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> wrote: Hi Felix, got your mail with the pictures. Please check: You wrote that you used --x-cycle-map, but you did not mention --x-fix-sharp-angles. I was probably not clear about these options. If you did not also use --x-fix-sharp-angles you measured the effect of the removal of the --adjust-turn-headings option, as --x-cycle-map on it own has no effect with the patch. Reg. testing: Please try to route to points close to but not on the road. Maybe this avoids the u-turns when the Garmin algo reaches the target on the "right" road (but "wrong" arc) and adds a u-turn to get on the road arc that was selected as target. Gerd Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 21:40:34 +0200 From: extremecarver@gmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles Well - I used --x-cycle-map but for some intersections it would still not work. In 4 out of 10 long distance routing examples I tried in Basecamp - the result was better. In 4 it was the same, and in 2 it was slightly worse. So overall it is a modest improvement - but I would have hoped for a bit more. Still - clearly and improvement. On 29 August 2015 at 23:11, Felix Hartmann <extremecarver@gmail.com> wrote: Sorry - I was on an enduro MTB Race for the last week - I will start testing on Tuesday... On 28 August 2015 at 17:34, Gerd Petermann <gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> wrote: oops. the link for the binary was missing: http://files.mkgmap.org.uk/download/280/mkgmap.jar Gerd From: gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 17:33:39 +0200 Subject: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles Hi all, attached is v2 of the patch, the binary is here: Correction: the previous versions did not change angles like this: /\ Improvement: For bicycle maps, the angle is changed up to 90° for arcs with high road speeds. Options (--x-fix-sharp-angles and --x-cycle-map) are the same. @Felix: I wait for your feedback now, as I have no way to test with your style. Gerd _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev -- Felix Hartman - Openmtbmap.org & VeloMap.org Floragasse 9/11 1040 Wien Austria - Österreich -- Felix Hartman - Openmtbmap.org & VeloMap.org Floragasse 9/11 1040 Wien Austria - Österreich _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev -- Felix Hartman - Openmtbmap.org & VeloMap.org Floragasse 9/11 1040 Wien Austria - Österreich _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev -- Felix Hartman - Openmtbmap.org & VeloMap.org Floragasse 9/11 1040 Wien Austria - Österreich -- keep on biking and discovering new trails Felix openmtbmap.org & www.velomap.org
I'm not really sure I got it right for debug: C:\OpenMTBMap\maps>start /low /b /wait java -jar -XX:StringTableSize=100003 -Xms6000M -Xmx10300M -Dlog.config=logging.properties c:\openmtbmap\mkgmap.jar --max-jobs=8 "--generate-sea" "--latin1" "--precomp-sea=c:\openmtbmap\maps\sea.zip" "--style-fil e=c:\openmtbmap\openmtbmap_style" --x-fix-sharp-angles --x-cycle-map --nsis --index --levels="0:24, 1:23, 2:22, 3:21, 4:20, 5:19, 6:18" --overview-levels="7:17, 8:16, 9:15, 10:14, 11:13, 12:12" --add-pois-to-areas --reduce-point-density=3.4 --reduce -point-density-polygon=6 --housenumbers --link-pois-to-ways --ignore-turn-restrictions --polygon-size-limits="24:16, 23:14, 22:12, 21:11, 20:10, 19:9, 18:8, 17:7, 16:6, 15:5, 14:4, 13:3, 12:2, 11:0, 10:0" --description=openmtbmap_at --show-profiles=1 --location-autofill=bounds,is_in,nearest --bounds=c:\openmtbmap\maps\bounds.zip --route --country-abbr=at --country-name=austria --mapname=63650000 --family-id=6365 --product-id=1 --series-name=openmtbmap_austria_03.09.2015 --family-name=mtbmap_at _03.09.2015 --tdbfile --overview-mapname=mapsetc --keep-going --area-name="austria_03.09.2015_openmtbmap.org" -c e:\openmtbmap\maps\template.austria 7*.img Time started: Thu Sep 03 14:04:01 CEST 2015 and in C:\OpenMTBMap\maps I put a file called logging.properties (Unix EOL / UTF8 without BOM) with me.parabola.imgfmt.app.net.AngleChecker.level=INFO as content - but I don't see any outpout... So I'ld need a better description how to configure it for logging.. On 03.09.2015 10:51, Gerd Petermann wrote:
Hi Felix,
okay, I'll try to reproduce it.
Gerd
------------------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles To: gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com From: extremecarver@gmail.com Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:45:05 +0200
On 03.09.2015 10:43, Gerd Petermann wrote:
Hi Felix,
great! Do you have the log (created with me.parabola.imgfmt.app.net.AngleChecker.level=INFO in logging.properties) for this point and the one where the u-turn happens?
Nope - did not use that.
Does it also happen when you chose points which are not on the road but close to it?
yes. Does not seem to matter.
Gerd
------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:25:50 +0200 Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles From: extremecarver@gmail.com <mailto:extremecarver@gmail.com> To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk <mailto:mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk>; gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com <mailto:gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com>
Hi Gerd - okay now with patched and removing --adjust-turn-headinfs - plus adding both options I can see (vs before with adjust-turns-headings) a) improvements on some tight turns (though not all tight turns) b) less of those errors (though some still exist - but much less) c) less erroneous detours on longer routes d) valid only for Car/Motorcycle routing - often on the same route shorter times - sometimes longer as well though. The other profiles are much less affected here.
e) no difference at all in the maximum routable distance.
Once a strange degradation (again same place as yesterday): Routing is alway correct on old map - but times are much slower. Old map nearly always had 1min Inline images 1
Only on Driving profile this bug happens (but no other - even Motorcycle is fine). Still 1min. However all other profiles (except walking) are between 26-28seconds. Inline images 2
Overall I would say it's a clear improvement (but yeah - those additional ways I guess would still be better).
On 3 September 2015 at 08:43, Gerd Petermann <gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com <mailto:gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Felix,
if you get the same differences with the unpatched version and --adjust-turn-headings turned on/off I see no miracles.
Gerd
------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 08:21:43 +0200
From: extremecarver@gmail.com <mailto:extremecarver@gmail.com> To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk <mailto:mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk> Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles
Ah - thanks. Well too strange I still got some differences... I did not know and wondered why I found so little difference.
So more results in 1-3 hours - back to testing now.
On 3 September 2015 at 07:03, Gerd Petermann <gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com <mailto:gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Felix,
got your mail with the pictures. Please check: You wrote that you used --x-cycle-map, but you did not mention --x-fix-sharp-angles. I was probably not clear about these options.
If you did not also use --x-fix-sharp-angles you measured the effect of the removal of the --adjust-turn-headings option, as --x-cycle-map on it own has no effect with the patch.
Reg. testing: Please try to route to points close to but not on the road. Maybe this avoids the u-turns when the Garmin algo reaches the target on the "right" road (but "wrong" arc) and adds a u-turn to get on the road arc that was selected as target.
Gerd
------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 21:40:34 +0200 From: extremecarver@gmail.com <mailto:extremecarver@gmail.com> To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk <mailto:mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk> Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles
Well - I used --x-cycle-map
but for some intersections it would still not work. In 4 out of 10 long distance routing examples I tried in Basecamp - the result was better. In 4 it was the same, and in 2 it was slightly worse. So overall it is a modest improvement - but I would have hoped for a bit more. Still - clearly and improvement.
On 29 August 2015 at 23:11, Felix Hartmann <extremecarver@gmail.com <mailto:extremecarver@gmail.com>> wrote:
Sorry - I was on an enduro MTB Race for the last week - I will start testing on Tuesday...
On 28 August 2015 at 17:34, Gerd Petermann <gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com <mailto:gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com>> wrote:
oops. the link for the binary was missing: |http://files.mkgmap.org.uk/download/280/mkgmap.jar
Gerd | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com <mailto:gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk <mailto:mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 17:33:39 +0200 Subject: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles
Hi all,
attached is v2 of the patch, the binary is here:
Correction: the previous versions did not change angles like this: /\ Improvement: For bicycle maps, the angle is changed up to 90° for arcs with high road speeds.
Options (--x-fix-sharp-angles and --x-cycle-map) are the same.
@Felix: I wait for your feedback now, as I have no way to test with your style.
Gerd
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Hi Felix, see here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mkgmap/dev#Enabling_Debugging Another basic sample is in mkgmap/resources/logging.properties Gerd To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk From: extremecarver@gmail.com Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 14:10:11 +0200 Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles I'm not really sure I got it right for debug: C:\OpenMTBMap\maps>start /low /b /wait java -jar -XX:StringTableSize=100003 -Xms6000M -Xmx10300M -Dlog.config=logging.properties c:\openmtbmap\mkgmap.jar --max-jobs=8 "--generate-sea" "--latin1" "--precomp-sea=c:\openmtbmap\maps\sea.zip" "--style-fil e=c:\openmtbmap\openmtbmap_style" --x-fix-sharp-angles --x-cycle-map --nsis --index --levels="0:24, 1:23, 2:22, 3:21, 4:20, 5:19, 6:18" --overview-levels="7:17, 8:16, 9:15, 10:14, 11:13, 12:12" --add-pois-to-areas --reduce-point-density=3.4 --reduce -point-density-polygon=6 --housenumbers --link-pois-to-ways --ignore-turn-restrictions --polygon-size-limits="24:16, 23:14, 22:12, 21:11, 20:10, 19:9, 18:8, 17:7, 16:6, 15:5, 14:4, 13:3, 12:2, 11:0, 10:0" --description=openmtbmap_at --show-profiles=1 --location-autofill=bounds,is_in,nearest --bounds=c:\openmtbmap\maps\bounds.zip --route --country-abbr=at --country-name=austria --mapname=63650000 --family-id=6365 --product-id=1 --series-name=openmtbmap_austria_03.09.2015 --family-name=mtbmap_at _03.09.2015 --tdbfile --overview-mapname=mapsetc --keep-going --area-name="austria_03.09.2015_openmtbmap.org" -c e:\openmtbmap\maps\template.austria 7*.img Time started: Thu Sep 03 14:04:01 CEST 2015 and in C:\OpenMTBMap\maps I put a file called logging.properties (Unix EOL / UTF8 without BOM) with me.parabola.imgfmt.app.net.AngleChecker.level=INFO as content - but I don't see any outpout... So I'ld need a better description how to configure it for logging.. On 03.09.2015 10:51, Gerd Petermann wrote: Hi Felix, okay, I'll try to reproduce it. Gerd Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles To: gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com From: extremecarver@gmail.com Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:45:05 +0200 On 03.09.2015 10:43, Gerd Petermann wrote: Hi Felix, great! Do you have the log (created with me.parabola.imgfmt.app.net.AngleChecker.level=INFO in logging.properties) for this point and the one where the u-turn happens? Nope - did not use that. Does it also happen when you chose points which are not on the road but close to it? yes. Does not seem to matter. Gerd Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:25:50 +0200 Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles From: extremecarver@gmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk; gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com Hi Gerd - okay now with patched and removing --adjust-turn-headinfs - plus adding both options I can see (vs before with adjust-turns-headings) a) improvements on some tight turns (though not all tight turns) b) less of those errors (though some still exist - but much less) c) less erroneous detours on longer routes d) valid only for Car/Motorcycle routing - often on the same route shorter times - sometimes longer as well though. The other profiles are much less affected here. e) no difference at all in the maximum routable distance. Once a strange degradation (again same place as yesterday): Routing is alway correct on old map - but times are much slower. Old map nearly always had 1min Only on Driving profile this bug happens (but no other - even Motorcycle is fine). Still 1min. However all other profiles (except walking) are between 26-28seconds. Overall I would say it's a clear improvement (but yeah - those additional ways I guess would still be better). On 3 September 2015 at 08:43, Gerd Petermann <gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> wrote: Hi Felix, if you get the same differences with the unpatched version and --adjust-turn-headings turned on/off I see no miracles. Gerd Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 08:21:43 +0200 From: extremecarver@gmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles Ah - thanks. Well too strange I still got some differences... I did not know and wondered why I found so little difference. So more results in 1-3 hours - back to testing now. On 3 September 2015 at 07:03, Gerd Petermann <gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> wrote: Hi Felix, got your mail with the pictures. Please check: You wrote that you used --x-cycle-map, but you did not mention --x-fix-sharp-angles. I was probably not clear about these options. If you did not also use --x-fix-sharp-angles you measured the effect of the removal of the --adjust-turn-headings option, as --x-cycle-map on it own has no effect with the patch. Reg. testing: Please try to route to points close to but not on the road. Maybe this avoids the u-turns when the Garmin algo reaches the target on the "right" road (but "wrong" arc) and adds a u-turn to get on the road arc that was selected as target. Gerd Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 21:40:34 +0200 From: extremecarver@gmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles Well - I used --x-cycle-map but for some intersections it would still not work. In 4 out of 10 long distance routing examples I tried in Basecamp - the result was better. In 4 it was the same, and in 2 it was slightly worse. So overall it is a modest improvement - but I would have hoped for a bit more. Still - clearly and improvement. On 29 August 2015 at 23:11, Felix Hartmann <extremecarver@gmail.com> wrote: Sorry - I was on an enduro MTB Race for the last week - I will start testing on Tuesday... On 28 August 2015 at 17:34, Gerd Petermann <gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> wrote: oops. the link for the binary was missing: http://files.mkgmap.org.uk/download/280/mkgmap.jar Gerd From: gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 17:33:39 +0200 Subject: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles Hi all, attached is v2 of the patch, the binary is here: Correction: the previous versions did not change angles like this: /\ Improvement: For bicycle maps, the angle is changed up to 90° for arcs with high road speeds. Options (--x-fix-sharp-angles and --x-cycle-map) are the same. @Felix: I wait for your feedback now, as I have no way to test with your style. Gerd _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev -- Felix Hartman - Openmtbmap.org & VeloMap.org Floragasse 9/11 1040 Wien Austria - Österreich -- Felix Hartman - Openmtbmap.org & VeloMap.org Floragasse 9/11 1040 Wien Austria - Österreich _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev -- Felix Hartman - Openmtbmap.org & VeloMap.org Floragasse 9/11 1040 Wien Austria - Österreich _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev -- Felix Hartman - Openmtbmap.org & VeloMap.org Floragasse 9/11 1040 Wien Austria - Österreich -- keep on biking and discovering new trails Felix openmtbmap.org & www.velomap.org _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev -- keep on biking and discovering new trails Felix openmtbmap.org & www.velomap.org _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev
Well that's exactly what I was reading - but as I did not get any log - I guess I'm not really understanding it (it must miss some steps). I did have: -Dlog.config=logging.properties in my java -jar call, and created the logging.properties file - but there must be something I was missing (codepage, additional steps or so on...) On 3 September 2015 at 14:26, Gerd Petermann < gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi Felix,
see here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mkgmap/dev#Enabling_Debugging
Another basic sample is in mkgmap/resources/logging.properties
Gerd
------------------------------ To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk From: extremecarver@gmail.com Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 14:10:11 +0200
Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles
I'm not really sure I got it right for debug:
C:\OpenMTBMap\maps>start /low /b /wait java -jar -XX:StringTableSize=100003 -Xms6000M -Xmx10300M -Dlog.config=logging.properties c:\openmtbmap\mkgmap.jar --max-jobs=8 "--generate-sea" "--latin1" "--precomp-sea=c:\openmtbmap\maps\sea.zip" "--style-fil e=c:\openmtbmap\openmtbmap_style" --x-fix-sharp-angles --x-cycle-map --nsis --index --levels="0:24, 1:23, 2:22, 3:21, 4:20, 5:19, 6:18" --overview-levels="7:17, 8:16, 9:15, 10:14, 11:13, 12:12" --add-pois-to-areas --reduce-point-density=3.4 --reduce -point-density-polygon=6 --housenumbers --link-pois-to-ways --ignore-turn-restrictions --polygon-size-limits="24:16, 23:14, 22:12, 21:11, 20:10, 19:9, 18:8, 17:7, 16:6, 15:5, 14:4, 13:3, 12:2, 11:0, 10:0" --description=openmtbmap_at --show-profiles=1 --location-autofill=bounds,is_in,nearest --bounds=c:\openmtbmap\maps\bounds.zip --route --country-abbr=at --country-name=austria --mapname=63650000 --family-id=6365 --product-id=1 --series-name=openmtbmap_austria_03.09.2015 --family-name=mtbmap_at _03.09.2015 --tdbfile --overview-mapname=mapsetc --keep-going --area-name=" austria_03.09.2015_openmtbmap.org" -c e:\openmtbmap\maps\template.austria 7*.img Time started: Thu Sep 03 14:04:01 CEST 2015
and in C:\OpenMTBMap\maps
I put a file called logging.properties (Unix EOL / UTF8 without BOM) with me.parabola.imgfmt.app.net.AngleChecker.level=INFO
as content - but I don't see any outpout... So I'ld need a better description how to configure it for logging..
On 03.09.2015 10:51, Gerd Petermann wrote:
Hi Felix,
okay, I'll try to reproduce it.
Gerd
------------------------------ Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles To: gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com From: extremecarver@gmail.com Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:45:05 +0200
On 03.09.2015 10:43, Gerd Petermann wrote:
Hi Felix,
great! Do you have the log (created with me.parabola.imgfmt.app.net.AngleChecker.level=INFO in logging.properties) for this point and the one where the u-turn happens?
Nope - did not use that.
Does it also happen when you chose points which are not on the road but close to it?
yes. Does not seem to matter.
Gerd
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:25:50 +0200 Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles From: extremecarver@gmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk; gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com
Hi Gerd - okay now with patched and removing --adjust-turn-headinfs - plus adding both options I can see (vs before with adjust-turns-headings) a) improvements on some tight turns (though not all tight turns) b) less of those errors (though some still exist - but much less) c) less erroneous detours on longer routes d) valid only for Car/Motorcycle routing - often on the same route shorter times - sometimes longer as well though. The other profiles are much less affected here.
e) no difference at all in the maximum routable distance.
Once a strange degradation (again same place as yesterday): Routing is alway correct on old map - but times are much slower. Old map nearly always had 1min [image: Inline images 1]
Only on Driving profile this bug happens (but no other - even Motorcycle is fine). Still 1min. However all other profiles (except walking) are between 26-28seconds. [image: Inline images 2]
Overall I would say it's a clear improvement (but yeah - those additional ways I guess would still be better).
On 3 September 2015 at 08:43, Gerd Petermann < <gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com>gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi Felix,
if you get the same differences with the unpatched version and --adjust-turn-headings turned on/off I see no miracles.
Gerd
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 08:21:43 +0200
From: extremecarver@gmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles
Ah - thanks. Well too strange I still got some differences... I did not know and wondered why I found so little difference.
So more results in 1-3 hours - back to testing now.
On 3 September 2015 at 07:03, Gerd Petermann < <gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com>gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi Felix,
got your mail with the pictures. Please check: You wrote that you used --x-cycle-map, but you did not mention --x-fix-sharp-angles. I was probably not clear about these options.
If you did not also use --x-fix-sharp-angles you measured the effect of the removal of the --adjust-turn-headings option, as --x-cycle-map on it own has no effect with the patch.
Reg. testing: Please try to route to points close to but not on the road. Maybe this avoids the u-turns when the Garmin algo reaches the target on the "right" road (but "wrong" arc) and adds a u-turn to get on the road arc that was selected as target.
Gerd
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 21:40:34 +0200 From: <extremecarver@gmail.com>extremecarver@gmail.com To: <mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk>mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles
Well - I used --x-cycle-map
but for some intersections it would still not work. In 4 out of 10 long distance routing examples I tried in Basecamp - the result was better. In 4 it was the same, and in 2 it was slightly worse. So overall it is a modest improvement - but I would have hoped for a bit more. Still - clearly and improvement.
On 29 August 2015 at 23:11, Felix Hartmann < <extremecarver@gmail.com> extremecarver@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry - I was on an enduro MTB Race for the last week - I will start testing on Tuesday...
On 28 August 2015 at 17:34, Gerd Petermann < <gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com>gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> wrote:
oops. the link for the binary was missing: <http://files.mkgmap.org.uk/download/280/mkgmap.jar> http://files.mkgmap.org.uk/download/280/mkgmap.jar
Gerd ------------------------------ From: <gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com>gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com To: <mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk>mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 17:33:39 +0200 Subject: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles
Hi all,
attached is v2 of the patch, the binary is here:
Correction: the previous versions did not change angles like this: /\ Improvement: For bicycle maps, the angle is changed up to 90° for arcs with high road speeds.
Options (--x-fix-sharp-angles and --x-cycle-map) are the same.
@Felix: I wait for your feedback now, as I have no way to test with your style.
Gerd
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Hi Felix, attached is the file I use with -Dlog.config=mkgmap_log.props It produces one or more files mkgmap.log.* For our purpose you should run mkgmap with only a small input file. I was not yet able to reproduce the problem, but it looks similar to one that I fixed with v2 of the patch. Gerd Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 15:13:04 +0200 From: extremecarver@gmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles Well that's exactly what I was reading - but as I did not get any log - I guess I'm not really understanding it (it must miss some steps). I did have: -Dlog.config=logging.properties in my java -jar call, and created the logging.properties file - but there must be something I was missing (codepage, additional steps or so on...) On 3 September 2015 at 14:26, Gerd Petermann <gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> wrote: Hi Felix, see here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mkgmap/dev#Enabling_Debugging Another basic sample is in mkgmap/resources/logging.properties Gerd To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk From: extremecarver@gmail.com Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 14:10:11 +0200 Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles I'm not really sure I got it right for debug: C:\OpenMTBMap\maps>start /low /b /wait java -jar -XX:StringTableSize=100003 -Xms6000M -Xmx10300M -Dlog.config=logging.properties c:\openmtbmap\mkgmap.jar --max-jobs=8 "--generate-sea" "--latin1" "--precomp-sea=c:\openmtbmap\maps\sea.zip" "--style-fil e=c:\openmtbmap\openmtbmap_style" --x-fix-sharp-angles --x-cycle-map --nsis --index --levels="0:24, 1:23, 2:22, 3:21, 4:20, 5:19, 6:18" --overview-levels="7:17, 8:16, 9:15, 10:14, 11:13, 12:12" --add-pois-to-areas --reduce-point-density=3.4 --reduce -point-density-polygon=6 --housenumbers --link-pois-to-ways --ignore-turn-restrictions --polygon-size-limits="24:16, 23:14, 22:12, 21:11, 20:10, 19:9, 18:8, 17:7, 16:6, 15:5, 14:4, 13:3, 12:2, 11:0, 10:0" --description=openmtbmap_at --show-profiles=1 --location-autofill=bounds,is_in,nearest --bounds=c:\openmtbmap\maps\bounds.zip --route --country-abbr=at --country-name=austria --mapname=63650000 --family-id=6365 --product-id=1 --series-name=openmtbmap_austria_03.09.2015 --family-name=mtbmap_at _03.09.2015 --tdbfile --overview-mapname=mapsetc --keep-going --area-name="austria_03.09.2015_openmtbmap.org" -c e:\openmtbmap\maps\template.austria 7*.img Time started: Thu Sep 03 14:04:01 CEST 2015 and in C:\OpenMTBMap\maps I put a file called logging.properties (Unix EOL / UTF8 without BOM) with me.parabola.imgfmt.app.net.AngleChecker.level=INFO as content - but I don't see any outpout... So I'ld need a better description how to configure it for logging.. On 03.09.2015 10:51, Gerd Petermann wrote: Hi Felix, okay, I'll try to reproduce it. Gerd Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles To: gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com From: extremecarver@gmail.com Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:45:05 +0200 On 03.09.2015 10:43, Gerd Petermann wrote: Hi Felix, great! Do you have the log (created with me.parabola.imgfmt.app.net.AngleChecker.level=INFO in logging.properties) for this point and the one where the u-turn happens? Nope - did not use that. Does it also happen when you chose points which are not on the road but close to it? yes. Does not seem to matter. Gerd Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:25:50 +0200 Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles From: extremecarver@gmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk; gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com Hi Gerd - okay now with patched and removing --adjust-turn-headinfs - plus adding both options I can see (vs before with adjust-turns-headings) a) improvements on some tight turns (though not all tight turns) b) less of those errors (though some still exist - but much less) c) less erroneous detours on longer routes d) valid only for Car/Motorcycle routing - often on the same route shorter times - sometimes longer as well though. The other profiles are much less affected here. e) no difference at all in the maximum routable distance. Once a strange degradation (again same place as yesterday): Routing is alway correct on old map - but times are much slower. Old map nearly always had 1min Only on Driving profile this bug happens (but no other - even Motorcycle is fine). Still 1min. However all other profiles (except walking) are between 26-28seconds. Overall I would say it's a clear improvement (but yeah - those additional ways I guess would still be better). On 3 September 2015 at 08:43, Gerd Petermann <gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> wrote: Hi Felix, if you get the same differences with the unpatched version and --adjust-turn-headings turned on/off I see no miracles. Gerd Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 08:21:43 +0200 From: extremecarver@gmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles Ah - thanks. Well too strange I still got some differences... I did not know and wondered why I found so little difference. So more results in 1-3 hours - back to testing now. On 3 September 2015 at 07:03, Gerd Petermann <gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> wrote: Hi Felix, got your mail with the pictures. Please check: You wrote that you used --x-cycle-map, but you did not mention --x-fix-sharp-angles. I was probably not clear about these options. If you did not also use --x-fix-sharp-angles you measured the effect of the removal of the --adjust-turn-headings option, as --x-cycle-map on it own has no effect with the patch. Reg. testing: Please try to route to points close to but not on the road. Maybe this avoids the u-turns when the Garmin algo reaches the target on the "right" road (but "wrong" arc) and adds a u-turn to get on the road arc that was selected as target. Gerd Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 21:40:34 +0200 From: extremecarver@gmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles Well - I used --x-cycle-map but for some intersections it would still not work. In 4 out of 10 long distance routing examples I tried in Basecamp - the result was better. In 4 it was the same, and in 2 it was slightly worse. So overall it is a modest improvement - but I would have hoped for a bit more. Still - clearly and improvement. On 29 August 2015 at 23:11, Felix Hartmann <extremecarver@gmail.com> wrote: Sorry - I was on an enduro MTB Race for the last week - I will start testing on Tuesday... On 28 August 2015 at 17:34, Gerd Petermann <gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> wrote: oops. the link for the binary was missing: http://files.mkgmap.org.uk/download/280/mkgmap.jar Gerd From: gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 17:33:39 +0200 Subject: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles Hi all, attached is v2 of the patch, the binary is here: Correction: the previous versions did not change angles like this: /\ Improvement: For bicycle maps, the angle is changed up to 90° for arcs with high road speeds. Options (--x-fix-sharp-angles and --x-cycle-map) are the same. @Felix: I wait for your feedback now, as I have no way to test with your style. Gerd _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev -- Felix Hartman - Openmtbmap.org & VeloMap.org Floragasse 9/11 1040 Wien Austria - Österreich -- Felix Hartman - Openmtbmap.org & VeloMap.org Floragasse 9/11 1040 Wien Austria - Österreich _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev -- Felix Hartman - Openmtbmap.org & VeloMap.org Floragasse 9/11 1040 Wien Austria - Österreich _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev -- Felix Hartman - Openmtbmap.org & VeloMap.org Floragasse 9/11 1040 Wien Austria - Österreich -- keep on biking and discovering new trails Felix openmtbmap.org & www.velomap.org _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev -- keep on biking and discovering new trails Felix openmtbmap.org & www.velomap.org _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev -- Felix Hartman - Openmtbmap.org & VeloMap.org Floragasse 9/11 1040 Wien Austria - Österreich _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev
okay - will do so tomorrow - right now my server is blocked up rendering... On 3 September 2015 at 15:19, Gerd Petermann < gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi Felix,
attached is the file I use with -Dlog.config=mkgmap_log.props
It produces one or more files mkgmap.log.*
For our purpose you should run mkgmap with only a small input file.
I was not yet able to reproduce the problem, but it looks similar to one that I fixed with v2 of the patch.
Gerd
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 15:13:04 +0200
From: extremecarver@gmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles
Well that's exactly what I was reading - but as I did not get any log - I guess I'm not really understanding it (it must miss some steps). I did have: -Dlog.config=logging.properties in my java -jar call, and created the logging.properties file - but there must be something I was missing (codepage, additional steps or so on...)
On 3 September 2015 at 14:26, Gerd Petermann < gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi Felix,
see here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mkgmap/dev#Enabling_Debugging
Another basic sample is in mkgmap/resources/logging.properties
Gerd
------------------------------ To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk From: extremecarver@gmail.com Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 14:10:11 +0200
Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles
I'm not really sure I got it right for debug:
C:\OpenMTBMap\maps>start /low /b /wait java -jar -XX:StringTableSize=100003 -Xms6000M -Xmx10300M -Dlog.config=logging.properties c:\openmtbmap\mkgmap.jar --max-jobs=8 "--generate-sea" "--latin1" "--precomp-sea=c:\openmtbmap\maps\sea.zip" "--style-fil e=c:\openmtbmap\openmtbmap_style" --x-fix-sharp-angles --x-cycle-map --nsis --index --levels="0:24, 1:23, 2:22, 3:21, 4:20, 5:19, 6:18" --overview-levels="7:17, 8:16, 9:15, 10:14, 11:13, 12:12" --add-pois-to-areas --reduce-point-density=3.4 --reduce -point-density-polygon=6 --housenumbers --link-pois-to-ways --ignore-turn-restrictions --polygon-size-limits="24:16, 23:14, 22:12, 21:11, 20:10, 19:9, 18:8, 17:7, 16:6, 15:5, 14:4, 13:3, 12:2, 11:0, 10:0" --description=openmtbmap_at --show-profiles=1 --location-autofill=bounds,is_in,nearest --bounds=c:\openmtbmap\maps\bounds.zip --route --country-abbr=at --country-name=austria --mapname=63650000 --family-id=6365 --product-id=1 --series-name=openmtbmap_austria_03.09.2015 --family-name=mtbmap_at _03.09.2015 --tdbfile --overview-mapname=mapsetc --keep-going --area-name=" austria_03.09.2015_openmtbmap.org" -c e:\openmtbmap\maps\template.austria 7*.img Time started: Thu Sep 03 14:04:01 CEST 2015
and in C:\OpenMTBMap\maps
I put a file called logging.properties (Unix EOL / UTF8 without BOM) with me.parabola.imgfmt.app.net.AngleChecker.level=INFO
as content - but I don't see any outpout... So I'ld need a better description how to configure it for logging..
On 03.09.2015 10:51, Gerd Petermann wrote:
Hi Felix,
okay, I'll try to reproduce it.
Gerd
------------------------------ Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles To: gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com From: extremecarver@gmail.com Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:45:05 +0200
On 03.09.2015 10:43, Gerd Petermann wrote:
Hi Felix,
great! Do you have the log (created with me.parabola.imgfmt.app.net.AngleChecker.level=INFO in logging.properties) for this point and the one where the u-turn happens?
Nope - did not use that.
Does it also happen when you chose points which are not on the road but close to it?
yes. Does not seem to matter.
Gerd
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:25:50 +0200 Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles From: extremecarver@gmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk; gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com
Hi Gerd - okay now with patched and removing --adjust-turn-headinfs - plus adding both options I can see (vs before with adjust-turns-headings) a) improvements on some tight turns (though not all tight turns) b) less of those errors (though some still exist - but much less) c) less erroneous detours on longer routes d) valid only for Car/Motorcycle routing - often on the same route shorter times - sometimes longer as well though. The other profiles are much less affected here.
e) no difference at all in the maximum routable distance.
Once a strange degradation (again same place as yesterday): Routing is alway correct on old map - but times are much slower. Old map nearly always had 1min [image: Inline images 1]
Only on Driving profile this bug happens (but no other - even Motorcycle is fine). Still 1min. However all other profiles (except walking) are between 26-28seconds. [image: Inline images 2]
Overall I would say it's a clear improvement (but yeah - those additional ways I guess would still be better).
On 3 September 2015 at 08:43, Gerd Petermann < <gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com>gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi Felix,
if you get the same differences with the unpatched version and --adjust-turn-headings turned on/off I see no miracles.
Gerd
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 08:21:43 +0200
From: extremecarver@gmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles
Ah - thanks. Well too strange I still got some differences... I did not know and wondered why I found so little difference.
So more results in 1-3 hours - back to testing now.
On 3 September 2015 at 07:03, Gerd Petermann < <gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com>gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi Felix,
got your mail with the pictures. Please check: You wrote that you used --x-cycle-map, but you did not mention --x-fix-sharp-angles. I was probably not clear about these options.
If you did not also use --x-fix-sharp-angles you measured the effect of the removal of the --adjust-turn-headings option, as --x-cycle-map on it own has no effect with the patch.
Reg. testing: Please try to route to points close to but not on the road. Maybe this avoids the u-turns when the Garmin algo reaches the target on the "right" road (but "wrong" arc) and adds a u-turn to get on the road arc that was selected as target.
Gerd
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 21:40:34 +0200 From: <extremecarver@gmail.com>extremecarver@gmail.com To: <mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk>mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles
Well - I used --x-cycle-map
but for some intersections it would still not work. In 4 out of 10 long distance routing examples I tried in Basecamp - the result was better. In 4 it was the same, and in 2 it was slightly worse. So overall it is a modest improvement - but I would have hoped for a bit more. Still - clearly and improvement.
On 29 August 2015 at 23:11, Felix Hartmann < <extremecarver@gmail.com> extremecarver@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry - I was on an enduro MTB Race for the last week - I will start testing on Tuesday...
On 28 August 2015 at 17:34, Gerd Petermann < <gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com>gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> wrote:
oops. the link for the binary was missing: <http://files.mkgmap.org.uk/download/280/mkgmap.jar> http://files.mkgmap.org.uk/download/280/mkgmap.jar
Gerd ------------------------------ From: <gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com>gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com To: <mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk>mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 17:33:39 +0200 Subject: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles
Hi all,
attached is v2 of the patch, the binary is here:
Correction: the previous versions did not change angles like this: /\ Improvement: For bicycle maps, the angle is changed up to 90° for arcs with high road speeds.
Options (--x-fix-sharp-angles and --x-cycle-map) are the same.
@Felix: I wait for your feedback now, as I have no way to test with your style.
Gerd
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Hi Felix, I am a bit confused now. I just downloaded and installed mtbaustria.exe (files in it where created 2015-09-02) and I see the error at node 2509650557 (detour and u-turn at node 255940422) What do you call the "old map" ? Gerd Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 15:27:10 +0200 From: extremecarver@gmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles okay - will do so tomorrow - right now my server is blocked up rendering... On 3 September 2015 at 15:19, Gerd Petermann <gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> wrote: Hi Felix, attached is the file I use with -Dlog.config=mkgmap_log.props It produces one or more files mkgmap.log.* For our purpose you should run mkgmap with only a small input file. I was not yet able to reproduce the problem, but it looks similar to one that I fixed with v2 of the patch. Gerd Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 15:13:04 +0200 From: extremecarver@gmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles Well that's exactly what I was reading - but as I did not get any log - I guess I'm not really understanding it (it must miss some steps). I did have: -Dlog.config=logging.properties in my java -jar call, and created the logging.properties file - but there must be something I was missing (codepage, additional steps or so on...) On 3 September 2015 at 14:26, Gerd Petermann <gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> wrote: Hi Felix, see here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mkgmap/dev#Enabling_Debugging Another basic sample is in mkgmap/resources/logging.properties Gerd To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk From: extremecarver@gmail.com Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 14:10:11 +0200 Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles I'm not really sure I got it right for debug: C:\OpenMTBMap\maps>start /low /b /wait java -jar -XX:StringTableSize=100003 -Xms6000M -Xmx10300M -Dlog.config=logging.properties c:\openmtbmap\mkgmap.jar --max-jobs=8 "--generate-sea" "--latin1" "--precomp-sea=c:\openmtbmap\maps\sea.zip" "--style-fil e=c:\openmtbmap\openmtbmap_style" --x-fix-sharp-angles --x-cycle-map --nsis --index --levels="0:24, 1:23, 2:22, 3:21, 4:20, 5:19, 6:18" --overview-levels="7:17, 8:16, 9:15, 10:14, 11:13, 12:12" --add-pois-to-areas --reduce-point-density=3.4 --reduce -point-density-polygon=6 --housenumbers --link-pois-to-ways --ignore-turn-restrictions --polygon-size-limits="24:16, 23:14, 22:12, 21:11, 20:10, 19:9, 18:8, 17:7, 16:6, 15:5, 14:4, 13:3, 12:2, 11:0, 10:0" --description=openmtbmap_at --show-profiles=1 --location-autofill=bounds,is_in,nearest --bounds=c:\openmtbmap\maps\bounds.zip --route --country-abbr=at --country-name=austria --mapname=63650000 --family-id=6365 --product-id=1 --series-name=openmtbmap_austria_03.09.2015 --family-name=mtbmap_at _03.09.2015 --tdbfile --overview-mapname=mapsetc --keep-going --area-name="austria_03.09.2015_openmtbmap.org" -c e:\openmtbmap\maps\template.austria 7*.img Time started: Thu Sep 03 14:04:01 CEST 2015 and in C:\OpenMTBMap\maps I put a file called logging.properties (Unix EOL / UTF8 without BOM) with me.parabola.imgfmt.app.net.AngleChecker.level=INFO as content - but I don't see any outpout... So I'ld need a better description how to configure it for logging.. On 03.09.2015 10:51, Gerd Petermann wrote: Hi Felix, okay, I'll try to reproduce it. Gerd Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles To: gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com From: extremecarver@gmail.com Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:45:05 +0200 On 03.09.2015 10:43, Gerd Petermann wrote: Hi Felix, great! Do you have the log (created with me.parabola.imgfmt.app.net.AngleChecker.level=INFO in logging.properties) for this point and the one where the u-turn happens? Nope - did not use that. Does it also happen when you chose points which are not on the road but close to it? yes. Does not seem to matter. Gerd Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:25:50 +0200 Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles From: extremecarver@gmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk; gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com Hi Gerd - okay now with patched and removing --adjust-turn-headinfs - plus adding both options I can see (vs before with adjust-turns-headings) a) improvements on some tight turns (though not all tight turns) b) less of those errors (though some still exist - but much less) c) less erroneous detours on longer routes d) valid only for Car/Motorcycle routing - often on the same route shorter times - sometimes longer as well though. The other profiles are much less affected here. e) no difference at all in the maximum routable distance. Once a strange degradation (again same place as yesterday): Routing is alway correct on old map - but times are much slower. Old map nearly always had 1min Only on Driving profile this bug happens (but no other - even Motorcycle is fine). Still 1min. However all other profiles (except walking) are between 26-28seconds. Overall I would say it's a clear improvement (but yeah - those additional ways I guess would still be better). On 3 September 2015 at 08:43, Gerd Petermann <gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> wrote: Hi Felix, if you get the same differences with the unpatched version and --adjust-turn-headings turned on/off I see no miracles. Gerd Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 08:21:43 +0200 From: extremecarver@gmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles Ah - thanks. Well too strange I still got some differences... I did not know and wondered why I found so little difference. So more results in 1-3 hours - back to testing now. On 3 September 2015 at 07:03, Gerd Petermann <gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> wrote: Hi Felix, got your mail with the pictures. Please check: You wrote that you used --x-cycle-map, but you did not mention --x-fix-sharp-angles. I was probably not clear about these options. If you did not also use --x-fix-sharp-angles you measured the effect of the removal of the --adjust-turn-headings option, as --x-cycle-map on it own has no effect with the patch. Reg. testing: Please try to route to points close to but not on the road. Maybe this avoids the u-turns when the Garmin algo reaches the target on the "right" road (but "wrong" arc) and adds a u-turn to get on the road arc that was selected as target. Gerd Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 21:40:34 +0200 From: extremecarver@gmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles Well - I used --x-cycle-map but for some intersections it would still not work. In 4 out of 10 long distance routing examples I tried in Basecamp - the result was better. In 4 it was the same, and in 2 it was slightly worse. So overall it is a modest improvement - but I would have hoped for a bit more. Still - clearly and improvement. On 29 August 2015 at 23:11, Felix Hartmann <extremecarver@gmail.com> wrote: Sorry - I was on an enduro MTB Race for the last week - I will start testing on Tuesday... On 28 August 2015 at 17:34, Gerd Petermann <gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> wrote: oops. the link for the binary was missing: http://files.mkgmap.org.uk/download/280/mkgmap.jar Gerd From: gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 17:33:39 +0200 Subject: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles Hi all, attached is v2 of the patch, the binary is here: Correction: the previous versions did not change angles like this: /\ Improvement: For bicycle maps, the angle is changed up to 90° for arcs with high road speeds. Options (--x-fix-sharp-angles and --x-cycle-map) are the same. @Felix: I wait for your feedback now, as I have no way to test with your style. Gerd _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev -- Felix Hartman - Openmtbmap.org & VeloMap.org Floragasse 9/11 1040 Wien Austria - Österreich -- Felix Hartman - Openmtbmap.org & VeloMap.org Floragasse 9/11 1040 Wien Austria - Österreich _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev -- Felix Hartman - Openmtbmap.org & VeloMap.org Floragasse 9/11 1040 Wien Austria - Österreich _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev -- Felix Hartman - Openmtbmap.org & VeloMap.org Floragasse 9/11 1040 Wien Austria - Österreich -- keep on biking and discovering new trails Felix openmtbmap.org & www.velomap.org _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev -- keep on biking and discovering new trails Felix openmtbmap.org & www.velomap.org _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev -- Felix Hartman - Openmtbmap.org & VeloMap.org Floragasse 9/11 1040 Wien Austria - Österreich _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev -- Felix Hartman - Openmtbmap.org & VeloMap.org Floragasse 9/11 1040 Wien Austria - Österreich _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev
Hmm, the version you downloaded is the one with patch v2 applied, --adjust-turn-headings and --x-cycle-map ( but without --x-fix-sharp-angles!). I actually don't even have that one installed. I don't see the error on an older version (even older than the one you downloaded - that means it had --adjust-turn-headings no new option, and no patch applied). Map data/mkgmap split is however identical. With the newest version with correct options given and v2 patch (--adjust-turn-headings not given, but with --x-fix-sharp-angles and with --x-cyclemap and of course patch v2) it only happens in Driving Profile with Shorter Distance (and all avoidances deselected). With faster time the bug does not appear. I just copied the newest version with the bug to openmtbmap.org/mtbaustria.exe if you want to try it out (timestamp is 2015-09-03) You're version was the one where I could not see much improvements but actually saw some things changed to before.... On 03.09.2015 15:47, Gerd Petermann wrote:
Hi Felix,
I am a bit confused now. I just downloaded and installed mtbaustria.exe (files in it where created 2015-09-02) and I see the error at node 2509650557 (detour and u-turn at node 255940422)
What do you call the "old map" ?
Gerd
sorry for so many messages - my thunderbird had some problems sending the message and copying it to sent folder... On 3 September 2015 at 16:03, Felix Hartmann <extremecarver@gmail.com> wrote:
Hmm, the version you downloaded is the one with patch v2 applied, --adjust-turn-headings and --x-cycle-map ( but without --x-fix-sharp-angles!). I actually don't even have that one installed.
I don't see the error on an older version (even older than the one you downloaded - that means it had --adjust-turn-headings no new option, and no patch applied). Map data/mkgmap split is however identical. With the newest version with correct options given and v2 patch (--adjust-turn-headings not given, but with --x-fix-sharp-angles and with --x-cyclemap and of course patch v2) it only happens in Driving Profile with Shorter Distance (and all avoidances deselected). With faster time the bug does not appear.
I just copied the newest version with the bug to openmtbmap.org/mtbaustria.exe if you want to try it out (timestamp is 2015-09-03) You're version was the one where I could not see much improvements but actually saw some things changed to before....
On 03.09.2015 15:47, Gerd Petermann wrote:
Hi Felix,
I am a bit confused now. I just downloaded and installed mtbaustria.exe (files in it where created 2015-09-02) and I see the error at node 2509650557 (detour and u-turn at node 255940422)
What do you call the "old map" ?
Gerd
-- Felix Hartman - Openmtbmap.org & VeloMap.org Floragasse 9/11 1040 Wien Austria - Österreich
Hi Felix, okay, no I see. I've created a lines file that adds the same ways that I found in your map. When I compile the map with r3641 without --adjust-turn-headings I see the detour. It disappears with --adjust-turn-headings. I'll now check what --adjust-turn-headings did as it seems to be better in this case. Gerd Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 16:05:01 +0200 From: extremecarver@gmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles sorry for so many messages - my thunderbird had some problems sending the message and copying it to sent folder... On 3 September 2015 at 16:03, Felix Hartmann <extremecarver@gmail.com> wrote: Hmm, the version you downloaded is the one with patch v2 applied, --adjust-turn-headings and --x-cycle-map ( but without --x-fix-sharp-angles!). I actually don't even have that one installed. I don't see the error on an older version (even older than the one you downloaded - that means it had --adjust-turn-headings no new option, and no patch applied). Map data/mkgmap split is however identical. With the newest version with correct options given and v2 patch (--adjust-turn-headings not given, but with --x-fix-sharp-angles and with --x-cyclemap and of course patch v2) it only happens in Driving Profile with Shorter Distance (and all avoidances deselected). With faster time the bug does not appear. I just copied the newest version with the bug to openmtbmap.org/mtbaustria.exe if you want to try it out (timestamp is 2015-09-03) You're version was the one where I could not see much improvements but actually saw some things changed to before.... On 03.09.2015 15:47, Gerd Petermann wrote: Hi Felix, I am a bit confused now. I just downloaded and installed mtbaustria.exe (files in it where created 2015-09-02) and I see the error at node 2509650557 (detour and u-turn at node 255940422) What do you call the "old map" ? Gerd -- Felix Hartman - Openmtbmap.org & VeloMap.org Floragasse 9/11 1040 Wien Austria - Österreich _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev
okay good luck. Mind it's one of a few places where it degraded. In general I think the patch v2 is an improvement... If you need I can search for some more places where patch v2 made things worse (however for many I think it depends on the autorouting settings). In any case it's clear - Garmin does not like such supersharp angles (and they usually don't appear for streets - only for pathes/tracks that are in "the nature"). On 3 September 2015 at 16:43, Gerd Petermann < gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi Felix,
okay, no I see. I've created a lines file that adds the same ways that I found in your map. When I compile the map with r3641 without --adjust-turn-headings I see the detour. It disappears with --adjust-turn-headings.
I'll now check what --adjust-turn-headings did as it seems to be better in this case.
Gerd
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 16:05:01 +0200 From: extremecarver@gmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles
sorry for so many messages - my thunderbird had some problems sending the message and copying it to sent folder...
On 3 September 2015 at 16:03, Felix Hartmann <extremecarver@gmail.com> wrote:
Hmm, the version you downloaded is the one with patch v2 applied, --adjust-turn-headings and --x-cycle-map ( but without --x-fix-sharp-angles!). I actually don't even have that one installed.
I don't see the error on an older version (even older than the one you downloaded - that means it had --adjust-turn-headings no new option, and no patch applied). Map data/mkgmap split is however identical. With the newest version with correct options given and v2 patch (--adjust-turn-headings not given, but with --x-fix-sharp-angles and with --x-cyclemap and of course patch v2) it only happens in Driving Profile with Shorter Distance (and all avoidances deselected). With faster time the bug does not appear.
I just copied the newest version with the bug to openmtbmap.org/mtbaustria.exe if you want to try it out (timestamp is 2015-09-03) You're version was the one where I could not see much improvements but actually saw some things changed to before....
On 03.09.2015 15:47, Gerd Petermann wrote:
Hi Felix,
I am a bit confused now. I just downloaded and installed mtbaustria.exe (files in it where created 2015-09-02) and I see the error at node 2509650557 (detour and u-turn at node 255940422)
What do you call the "old map" ?
Gerd
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Hi Felix, it's quite funny. The --adjust-turn-headings option is NOT AT ALL able to handle multiple routable arcs for the same OSM way. For each arc at the node it changes the headings for some of the arcs, so it probably creates all kinds of angles. I still have to find out why the new algo in the patch doesn't help at this place. Maybe I did not yet find all parameters that influence the result. Gerd Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 16:47:20 +0200 From: extremecarver@gmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles okay good luck. Mind it's one of a few places where it degraded. In general I think the patch v2 is an improvement... If you need I can search for some more places where patch v2 made things worse (however for many I think it depends on the autorouting settings). In any case it's clear - Garmin does not like such supersharp angles (and they usually don't appear for streets - only for pathes/tracks that are in "the nature"). On 3 September 2015 at 16:43, Gerd Petermann <gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com> wrote: Hi Felix, okay, no I see. I've created a lines file that adds the same ways that I found in your map. When I compile the map with r3641 without --adjust-turn-headings I see the detour. It disappears with --adjust-turn-headings. I'll now check what --adjust-turn-headings did as it seems to be better in this case. Gerd Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 16:05:01 +0200 From: extremecarver@gmail.com To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] [Patch v2] sharp angles sorry for so many messages - my thunderbird had some problems sending the message and copying it to sent folder... On 3 September 2015 at 16:03, Felix Hartmann <extremecarver@gmail.com> wrote: Hmm, the version you downloaded is the one with patch v2 applied, --adjust-turn-headings and --x-cycle-map ( but without --x-fix-sharp-angles!). I actually don't even have that one installed. I don't see the error on an older version (even older than the one you downloaded - that means it had --adjust-turn-headings no new option, and no patch applied). Map data/mkgmap split is however identical. With the newest version with correct options given and v2 patch (--adjust-turn-headings not given, but with --x-fix-sharp-angles and with --x-cyclemap and of course patch v2) it only happens in Driving Profile with Shorter Distance (and all avoidances deselected). With faster time the bug does not appear. I just copied the newest version with the bug to openmtbmap.org/mtbaustria.exe if you want to try it out (timestamp is 2015-09-03) You're version was the one where I could not see much improvements but actually saw some things changed to before.... On 03.09.2015 15:47, Gerd Petermann wrote: Hi Felix, I am a bit confused now. I just downloaded and installed mtbaustria.exe (files in it where created 2015-09-02) and I see the error at node 2509650557 (detour and u-turn at node 255940422) What do you call the "old map" ? Gerd -- Felix Hartman - Openmtbmap.org & VeloMap.org Floragasse 9/11 1040 Wien Austria - Österreich _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev -- Felix Hartman - Openmtbmap.org & VeloMap.org Floragasse 9/11 1040 Wien Austria - Österreich _______________________________________________ mkgmap-dev mailing list mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev
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