On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Gert Münzel <Gert.Muenzel@netcologne.de> wrote:

Actually i can't see any improvements in routing. The routing seems to be the same , not worse and not better as before. But i will pay attention of it.

The routing itself should not change with this patch, but the routing description should change. That is, instead of instructions such as the following, - Take the 2nd right onto K 4256 - Turn right onto K 4256 you should get the following, - Take the 2nd right onto Bahnhofstrasse (K 4256) - Turn right onto Nusslocher Strasse (K 4256) but only in cases where a street has both a name and a ref (and a highway symbol, I think). Cheers.

On Oct 30, 2009, at 23:56, Felix Hartmann wrote:

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In Germany the label of the primaries is shown on the road signs (B57, B58...), but not the labels of the secondaries (like L237, K39 and so on). How is this handled in other countries? This is not related to type of road, but type of symbol. :box and :hbox cannot display certain types of labels (see older messages from me) - other like :oval have no restrictions and you can input more or less whatever you like.

I think Ralf was talking about the "real world" here, not the one in our GPS devices. ;-) That is, when you are outside and looking at the physical signs on the road, the 'ref' number of secondary roads does not usually appear on the signs, however the 'ref' of primary highways is generally printed on the signs (at least in Germany). This makes a difference for routing directions: when should the ref be used and when should the name be used? - For motorways, we almost always want the ref: A35 instead of "Autoroute des Cigognes"; A1 instead of "Autostrada del Sole". - This is also probably true for trunk roads. - For primary highways, either the ref or the name or both could be most appropriate: "B58", or "Weseler Strasse", or "Weseler Strasse (B58)"? - Generally for secondary and lower roads, we want the name; the ref is secondary: "Bahnhofstrasse" instead of "K 4256". And the question is, is this also true for other countries?

0> In article <234CD3B7-375C-4DAB-873F-84002B87441A@googlemail.com>, 0> Clinton Gladstone <URL:mailto:clinton.gladstone@googlemail.com> ("Clinton") wrote: Clinton> That is, when you are outside and looking at the physical signs Clinton> on the road, the 'ref' number of secondary roads does not usually Clinton> appear on the signs, however the 'ref' of primary highways is Clinton> generally printed on the signs (at least in Germany). In UK, the road number is used down to secondary; tertiary and lower should not have numbers visible on the signage (yes, exceptions exist, but I'm quoting the rules). So I have the following in my 'lines' file: /-------- | highway=motorway {name '${ref|highway-symbol:hbox} ${name}' | '${ref|highway-symbol:hbox}' | '${name}' } | highway=trunk {name '${ref|highway-symbol:hbox} ${name}' | '${ref|highway-symbol:hbox}' | '${name}' } | highway=primary {name '${ref|highway-symbol:box} ${name}' | '${ref|highway-symbol:box}' | '${name}' } | highway=secondary {name '${ref|highway-symbol:oval} ${name}' | '${ref|highway-symbol:oval}' | '${name}' } | highway=* {name '${name}' } \-------- so that lower-class roads are only named, not also numbered.